BVE versus OpenBVE

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coneykidw8:

Quote from: Dumb4life on February 01, 2010, 03:24:47 PM
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Openbve, like error said its the future. You get all types of views. BVE is abandoned and old-fashioned

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the future of what? and ....we code basic BVE we don't use all the extra codes you see in other routes...you guys act as you can't survive without OpenBVE.
Post Merge: February 01, 2010, 02:46:12 PMQuote from: ipaclansite on February 01, 2010, 03:30:22 PM
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Lets look at the previous debates about this issue.  I will summarize each topic.

http://www.bvestation.com/forums/index.bves.topic=2578.0 (What has OpenBVE become?)
So this topic shows off some eye candy for OpenBVE.  And yes it has become more than a cab view simulator, but it is definitely for people who want eye candy.  Feature is there whether you want to use it or not, you dont have to use it.

http://www.bvestation.com/forums/index.bves.topic=3003.0 (Decline of BVE)
OpenBVE opens the doors to other developers to come in and attempt to develop content for the program.  It fosters development of ideas, and creations of new developers.  But glory is definitely taken from the original BVE program.

http://www.bvestation.com/forums/index.bves.topic=2907.0 (Should we keep the OpenBVE section?)
Even Joe agrees we should keep it Open.  Newbies would rather post for help here as it gives them the impression of a dedicated section for OpenBVE.

BVE 2 and 4 is reaching its limits, OpenBVE opens the valve for a new flood and that is healthy for the community.  We're BVE fans, not a religious sect worshiping mackoy.  Agreeing to his ideals and things like that.  For our friends across the water, they've made transitions to the new software, and have had good success with it, and of course the cross-platform compatibility allows BVE or OpenBVE per say to be exposed to other places where it couldn't have had before, which again opens up the community and allowing it to grow.

In terms of work however, there's little work for us to do, but if we want to add a feature now, its possible.  The option is there but it doesn't have to be used.  I doubt all of you take full 100% advantage of your super-powered computers, its rare, a regular home user has no use for a super-powered computer, other than to play games with.  In relation thats what OpenBVE is, a high powered intel chip that we haven't used to its full capacity yet, since our old chips already reached their limits.

What about us updating?  Well we are, albeit at a snails pace.  My opinion on creating things that pushes limits, thats how creativity, art and technology is created and thats how society advances.  No limits on creativity and ideas.  This doesn't mean I support going around and modifying stuff without permission, thats not a good idea, why because doing that will have that negative effect in that you discourage the advancement of this material.  So we ask that you support the developers, not through money or anything like that but just through acknowledging their work and respecting their wishes in terms of what you can do with the content.

BVE 2 and 4 are still great software, but for the people who are "unfortunate", we have no choice but to use OpenBVE.  Exclusive content can be a good thing, but again there comes the question that your purposely not allowing the advancement of a certain technology, or the reversal of technology for the fact of that matter.

And for those of you who dont want change, then you dont belong on BVEStation, cause thats what we are all about.  Advancement, and creation.  There's b-v-e.info for those of you who would like to stay in the past.  A little nostalgia is great, but there wouldn't be a point of BVEStation if it wasn't for these principles.


See you guys who think OpenBVE sucks because it doesn't run or whatever, update your computers to the latest drivers, and find out why it doesn't work.  Stop worshiping BVE as if it were a religion.  I'm not an atheist but I do agree to some extent that religion does play a factor in limiting potential of people.  BVE is a cab view simulator, OpenBVE is something more.  Remeber OpenBVE is simply a project name, which everybody took as the title because the bitch wasn't given time to rename it.

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Then because I'm sick of everyone bragging about how "great" it is and not doing it to it's full potential except making some damn exterior views I don't belong here? I mean at first I gave it a chance but it seems everyone just got obsessed with it ONLY because it had exterior views and animation...not because of the other "great" things about it....maybe if we tried to actually develop shit other than animated trains for OpenBVE, which is mainly what I see here, and kick ass routes that showed that were just as good as the guys across the pond I wouldn't be so against it....yeah we need change but....this isn't a change everyones gonna welcome. So in the end, I don't blame the program...I blame the ones that only use it for one thing or another and expect everyone to do the same...and say screw you if you don't agree with them, and not giving me a real valid reason to agree with them. If it's the future...develop a NYCTA route for openBVE and make it look like one of the realest routes ever developed....since it has that much potential supposedly, and show me the future...don't just give me an exterior view and tell me it's the future of BVE.

ipaclansite:

That brings back the issue of the feature is there, and you dont have to use it.  Thats like asking BVE 2 and 4 have safety systems, timer support, custom signals.  Why haven't we used it?

Pacific385:

Quote from: coneykidw8 on February 01, 2010, 03:32:29 PM
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the future of what? and ....we code basic BVE we don't use all the extra codes you see in other routes...you guys act as you can't survive without OpenBVE.
Post Merge: February 01, 2010, 02:46:12 PMThen because I'm sick of everyone bragging about how "great" it is and not doing it to it's full potential except making some damn exterior views I don't belong here? I mean at first I gave it a chance but it seems everyone just got obsessed with it ONLY because it had exterior views and animation...not because of the other "great" things about it....maybe if we tried to actually develop shit other than animated trains for OpenBVE, which is mainly what I see here, and kick ass routes that showed that were just as good as the guys across the pond I wouldn't be so against it....yeah we need change but....this isn't a change everyones gonna welcome. So in the end, I don't blame the program...I blame the ones that only use it for one thing or another and expect everyone to do the same...and say screw you if you don't agree with them, and not giving me a real valid reason to agree with them. If it's the future...develop a NYCTA route for openBVE and make it look like one of the realest routes ever developed....since it has that much potential supposedly, and show me the future...don't just give me an exterior view and tell me it's the future of BVE.

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We can, but technology has advanced and so have we.

coneykidw8:

Quote from: ipaclansite on February 01, 2010, 03:54:34 PM
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That brings back the issue of the feature is there, and you dont have to use it.  Thats like asking BVE 2 and 4 have safety systems, timer support, custom signals.  Why haven't we used it?

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the Riverbank Shuttle me and ray redid is the first...at least that I know of American route with timers and it works for all 3 versions...so were getting there....we havent used it because nobody can figure it out. Can you figure it out for us? like I said...most of the stuff about OpenBVE that I hear is...well...just hearsay...show me everything it can do for BVEStation and how it will improve our routes tenfold and then we can end this because with the new technology placed on our routes it will be set in stone and we can all get along...for the most part lol

ipaclansite:

And how long did it take to figure out timers?  Quite a while since NYCTBA's inception.  Obviously technology or our routes dont advance overnight, they take time.  So we're taking our time to slowly transition or advancing into OpenBVE, while we continue to push the limits of the BVE 2 and 4 software at the same time.

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